One of the earliest Forest Service topographers, in an endeavor to convey a written description of this mountain country, said: "The relief of the Reserve (Los Padres National Forest) is very high, rugged and precipitous, and the study of such a broken surface, even with the aid of a contour map, will not be easy for the laymen”.
William S. (Billy) Brown 1945
Over Martin Luther King weekend myself and Jeff Wright set out on an ambitious quest to find and rebuild Don Victor and Pine Canyon Camps. We Parked the truck at the dirt turn out for the Closed Potrero Seco Road 6N03 off Hwy 33, adjacent Pine Mountain Ridge Road. Bikes and Packs heavily loaded down with the necessary backpacking essentials (mostly whiskey and beer) trail tools and some food. At approximately 8am we saddled up and navigated through the locked gate to make our way along Potrero Seco.
Bikes rigged up and ready
Locked Gate at Potrero Seco
Icy Road with heavy packs, what could possibly go wrong
Besides a little snow and the customary annoyance of ups and downs one encounters along most fire roads the first 3.5 miles to Potrero Seco Camp was pretty uneventful, because of the weight on our backs it became much easier to ride the downhills and walk the uphills. Slow and steady was the name of the game.
Potrero Seco camp
Potrero Seco (Dry Meadow) was once the home of a Forest Service Ranger Station, the current camp has a couple sites with Picnic tables however is rarely used these days as the road leading in has been closed to public use for almost a decade. The site is still frequented by day hikers, mountain bikers and most likely the nearby landowners on the edge of the Potrero. There is no water available at the Camp. On the way out north of Camp along 6N03 we chatted a bit with Jerome, one of the caretakers of the private inholdings. Super cool guy. Right after leaving we came upon the deer pictured below, one of them actually started charging straight at us, after cutting half the distance decided to take off in another direction. Never seen them do that before.
Private inholding east of Camp
Wildlife near Potrero Seco Camp
Thus Far everything was going as planned and without hitch, that was about to change. I would estimate about a mile after leaving Potrero Seco is when the nightmare began. We ran smack into some wet sections of road that had some of the worst clay mud you could image. Every step, sticky mounds would pile up on your feet, giving the impression of trying to walk with bricks attached to your shoes and to make matters worse it completely clogged up the tires and brakes on the bikes. No joke you could not roll through it if you wanted to, the tires were deadlocked. This became a battle of trying to drag and carry the bikes. With a 55 pound pack and tools strapped on this is no easy feat. I can take a massive amount of pain and suffering but this almost got the better of me. I couldn't fathom trying to go the next 6 or 7 miles through this shit. Had it continued much longer I swear I would have quit and went home. Luckily the road went dry again closer to the Don Victor turn off, but by this time we were completely drained. I apologized to Jeff for once again putting him through the ringer, my adventures are never easy. "Well Jeff you just never know what your gonna encounter being on trips with me." He replied jokingly "you would think I would've learned by now" followed by "it's all good Chris a little suffering is good every now and then." Jeff's a team player and tough dude. I say unless you know these roads are dry might, want to avoid the bikes and just make the long hike on foot.
Me really pissed off trying to free mud from my bike's tires
At just about the 5 mile mark to your right you will come upon another locked gate, this is the junction with the old Don Victor Fire Trail 6N11. Leave Potrero Seco and pass through the gate to start the descent into Don Victor Valley. Elevation at this point 5156 feet. While the old road tread is holding up nicely (besides brushing needed and a few downed trees after the Mono Crossing) the next 6.5 miles are a steep series of ups and downs with the majority being down. Unless you are traveling much lighter than we were or are an elite mountain biker (which I'm far from) this is just downright difficult with a bike especially on the return. (All uphill) Personally I will never ride in here again it's just to much work for a guy that rides a few times a year. My feet are my preferred method of travel.
Don Victor Fire Trail 6N11
Jeff taking in those views down into Don Victor Valley
Originally we had planned to try and ride as far down as the Mono Creek Crossing which would have put us 1.3 miles from Don Victor Camp. That plan went out the window as we once again encountered the hellish mud. Instead of trying to fight it again, 1.2 miles from the Mono we unstrapped the tools and stashed the bikes in the bushes to continue on foot the rest of the way and it's a good thing we did as we were slipping and sliding through sections down that mountain that would have been ugly on the bikes. The mud sucks but the the views down Canyon are excellent, providing a real unique perspective of the Valley below. Short of the creek crossing to your right the sign post pictured below marks the old Potrero Seco/Don Victor Trail 25W04. Taking this route would lead you back up and around to the Potrero Seco Car Camp. While there may be some good sections intact I image the majority would be an exercise in bushwhacking.
Lone metal post marking 25W04
Couple of downed trees after the Mono Creek crossing
Water was flowing through the crossing, not a huge amount but plenty to filter from if needed. From this point on sporadic sections of the road get a bit brushier and some work is needed to clear the downed trees. After what seemed like a grueling 11.5 miles we finally arrived at a disastrous Don Victor Camp. Remnants of a fire ring, some tossed about corrugated steel panels and a small reflector nailed to a tree marked the spot. The Camp was completely consumed in brush and unrecognizable. You couldn't drop a tent down if you wanted to. Upon first glance I thought dear god our work today has only just begun. Camp coordinates N34° 40' 12.0" W119° 31' 08.5" Check out the before photos below.
Don Victor Camp upon arrival
There's a small rock fire ring buried in there
Knowing we were gonna have to get moving we dropped packs slammed a beer and went to work. Two dudes, one McLeod, a shovel, small silky boy hand saw, big hearts and hours of grueling back breaking labor and Don Victor would once again rise up to be a damn fine place to spend the night. We cleared a large portion of the flat, rebuilt a bigger much nicer fire ring, cut dead wood to create nice benches around the fire pit and inch by inch rolled a large rock up the road that now makes a hell of good seat. Jeff laid out the metal alongside the tree to give it a rustic look, we left a brand new shovel and Mcleod and DV is also now #5 of the Lost In The Los Padres site register cans complete with a $25 dollar Rei gift card. I'm proud of the work we did and very thankful for Jeff's help, couldn't have done it without you brother. Photos below as we progressed through.
New improved Fire Ring
Rustic look with the corrugated steel panels
Jeff Searching for kindling
Majority of the work done, getting ready to embrace the cold
What a difference
DV is now site #5 of the Lost In The Los Padres Site Register Cans complete with $25 dollar REI Gift card for the next lucky visitor to claim.
Even with all the work we did there is still more that can be done. The Camp still needs a path cleared to the Creek. Though on this trip there was no water flowing directly behind it. 200 feet back down the road at the creek crossing was a small scummy pool that kept our beers cold and us hydrated. From maps I gather it may have been part of the nearby spring. The water in Don Victor Valley is said to have a high mineral content and not likely good to drink during the summer months. Temps in the Canyon dropped to freezing, Jeff awoke Sunday morning with ice built up on his beanie that he wore all night. I said "hey Jeff did you leave your beanie outside"? he replied "no I've been wearing it all night why" ? Oh just wondering because there is snow on your head, we both laughed Saturday was a cold night.
Pulling the last beer from the ice chest pond
Very near the Camp was an old homestead owned by Don Victor in the early 1900's. Originally I thought the cabin was on the actual campsite however seeing old photos from the LPFA archives it appears it was actually a little further north on the flat. Wise counsel confirmed for me that it could have been very possible the cabin and the public camp may have coexisted together at the time. Hence why the sites were not right on top of each other.
Cabin on the Don Victor August 1908 photo credit LPFA archives
Photo I took from very near the same location January 19th 2020
Don Victor and Maria (Ortega). The Don Victor Valley was named for him. He drowned crossing the Ventura River. Photo credit LPFA Archives
Freaud's homestead cabin Don Victor Valley. Ralph Hartman. Photo credit LPFA archives.
We woke early Sunday morning, after coffee and breakfast before heading up Pine Canyon we decided to do some further exploration of the Valley. Approximately 330 feet Northeast of the Camp we found the Don Victor fire Trail Sign. Continuing along that same line .1 of a mile further we came across the remains of an old Artesian well with the spigot broken off. From Back at the camp it is .1 of a mile Northwest to the start of the Don Victor Trail 25W03 where we caught sight of the Don Victor Valley/Malduce Station sign. See photos below.
Sign Coordinates: N34° 40' 14.6" W119° 31' 06.3"
Artesian Well coordinates: N34° 40' 19.6" W119° 31' 02.1"
Sign Coordinates: N34° 40' 18.3" W119° 31' 13.6"
After all we'd been through so far I honestly figured getting up Pine Canyon would be a walk in the park for a pair of experienced trail hounds such as us. Boy was I mistaken. We spent all day Sunday fully engulfed in brush. A bloody bushwhack ensued. Whatever trail/footpath that once was is gone. Miles of impenetrable brush. We tried are best to stay on and survey the trail but it proved futile. We scoured high and low for better routes but ultimately just ended up trudging right up the dry creek bed (when it wasn't walled in) as often as we could. To make matters worse Pine Canyon was dry no flowing water besides one patch about a mile in that was glowing orange, I never seen such disgusting water. It had a greasy oil looking slick on top like it was laced with chemicals. In a survival situation I'd honestly drink my own piss before I would go anywhere near whatever that was. We did eventually arrive at Pine Canyon Flat where the old camp should have been, however found zero evidence that it ever existed.
Some thick brush down in there
Pine Canyon
Pine Canyon Flat
There's no doubt this site would make for a great camp and I could see why the location was chosen. Especially with Jackson Five Falls right around the bend. In the end we decided to keep it wild. No sense in disturbing nature here, we still need a few wild places and for that matter I guarantee there ain't many people gonna come up here anyways. Those hardy folks that do won't need any fancy camp set up.
Old hunting Camp in Pine Canyon. Chester Hartman, Lowie Hartman, Ralph Hartman, Will hartman, Frenchi (Frank Feraud). Photo Credit LPFA Archives.
Our exit from Pine Canyon was definitely smoother than the entrance. Though for some strange reason I ended up getting 2 leg cramps, one in each leg. I rarely ever get leg cramps, it was annoying but not the end of the world, nothing that a couple shots of whiskey wouldn't cure once we returned to Don Victor. We pushed on. Before dinner we put some last minute finishing touches on the camp, and pretty much hit the sack early.
Modern Times Hazy Pilsner
So long Don Victor until we meet again.
Monday morning the clouds were coming in and the wind was picking up. We wasted no time gathering our goods and hitting the trail. As would be expected it was harder going out than coming in. Many uphill slogs, coupled with more mud patches made for an interesting trek. 2 miles before reaching the truck I tried lifting my bike out of some stuck mud and pulled a muscle in my back. This here old timer took a beating on this one, but you know what deep down I loved every second of it. I'll take a bashing in the sticks over a day in the city any time. Our entire journey consisted of just under 30 miles of travel. Below the map my GPS track and google earth KMZ file are available for download should you like to give it a look. Shout out to BC and CC for the tireless amount of intel you always provide me and LT for donating the tools for this trip, Some fine gentlemen you all are.
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Ron Wean Hello Christopher,I have been following your blog and we met last year when we went out Reyes Peak Trail with Bardley to take out some downed trees. You and your buds deserve a big shout out for the pain and suffering and time and money spent on restoring and bringing back to life these long lost camps! If I was thirty five oh hell if I was fifty five again, I would tag along with you guys! These are just the sort of adventures I would have loved! I hope to get out to some of the places you have been and maybe pick up an REI gift card this spring,summer! Heading out tomorrow morning to put some boots on the tread that Mike Gourley and crew have been putting so much sweat into on the Camino Cielo/ Ocean View Trail. I raise my whisky glass to you. Ron
Hey Ron great to hear from you thanks for the kind words. Definitely you should snag one of them gift cards. Last chance and Ellis Apiary have been claimed, but I believe the one at Bluff Camp and Saddle Skirt are still there and of course the newest edition at Don Victor. Let's get back out there and buck some more trees when Bardley returns home.
Nice work lads. Thanks for your efforts. DV trail camp looks great. I just may have to visit one of these days. I hope REI is sponsoring some of your efforts. If not, they should be.
I just recently hiked out here for a day trip, just went a ways past DV junction. Incredible views overlooking the valleys. I was totally laughing though about the mud, I know where you were at & about the uphill slogs to get back to the car, I felt that.. lol! Have you backpacked to Matilija from Potrero Seco via Monte Arido? Curious on trail conditions if so. Can't wait to check out Don Victor Valley
Hi Terra I am not sure about the current conditions along the Northern section of Monte Arido, my guess would be not to bad, but thats my guess. Might shoot an email to Bryan at the LPFA and see if he knows better. Thanks for stopping by.
Thanks for the fantastic, informative post- and the work on the camp! DV is one of the very few camps in LP I haven't been to, and I'm super keen to check it out. I've been thinking about coming in to DV from the west and I tried to ride up Mono Trail from Little Caliente earlier this year ('23), but was stymied before I even got to Pie Cyn Rd. Based on this, my assumption is that the trail from Alamar to Rollins is completely unpassable, and that one would have to take the long way around on the road (via Loma Pelona): any thoughts? Finally, given road and trail conditions since your post, I wonder if anyone has been up there since you guys? If I score that gift certificate, beers are on me!
Hi Loren, most definitely some folks have been there since we last left and already snagged the gift card. It’s been awhile since I was last out there but if I was a betting man I’d say the route we took is most likely the best option.
Thanks for your response and advice, Christopher. I think I'm going to be really dumb anyway and mountain bike a loop Upper Oso->Camuesa Rd->Upper Santa Ynez Camp->Don Victor via Potrero Seco/DV Rd->Loma Pelona->Mono Trail (or Pie Cyn Jeep Tr/6N17)->Camuesa Rd->Upper Oso. I'm thinking 3-4 days in March, which should allow some time to stop and check stuff out along the way. Let me know if you're aware of anyone keen on such a misbegotten endeavor- or if you would perhaps be up for it yourself?! ;)
Thanks for the invite, but I’m not the greatest mountain biker and honestly I prefer not to be on the darn thing as I’m mostly just pushing it anyways. HA. If you manage to pull that run off I’d be interested to hear about it. Happy New Year.
22 comments:
If they would open the road to vehicles, I'd be glad to bring shovels, saws, etc to work!
Unfortunately I doubt they will ever open Potrero Seco again to the public but hey you never know.
Thanks for the great write up! Looks like you had a hell of an adventure getting there.
Thanks for stopping by Jesse
Ron Wean
Hello Christopher,I have been following your blog and we met last year when we went out Reyes Peak Trail with Bardley to take out some downed trees.
You and your buds deserve a big shout out for the pain and suffering and time and money spent on restoring and bringing back to life these long lost camps!
If I was thirty five oh hell if I was fifty five again, I would tag along with you guys! These are just the sort of adventures I would have loved!
I hope to get out to some of the places you have been and maybe pick up an REI gift card this spring,summer!
Heading out tomorrow morning to put some boots on the tread that Mike Gourley and crew have been putting so much sweat into on the Camino Cielo/ Ocean View Trail.
I raise my whisky glass to you.
Ron
Hey Ron great to hear from you thanks for the kind words. Definitely you should snag one of them gift cards. Last chance and Ellis Apiary have been claimed, but I believe the one at Bluff Camp and Saddle Skirt are still there and of course the newest edition at Don Victor. Let's get back out there and buck some more trees when Bardley returns home.
Right On! Safe travels!
Hi Chris,
I enjoyed reading your post and seeing all of the old photos! Great work out there!
Tim
Thank you Tim
Nice work lads. Thanks for your efforts. DV trail camp looks great. I just may have to visit one of these days. I hope REI is sponsoring some of your efforts. If not, they should be.
Thanks Madison, No sponsorship from REI just been using my own money. Would be great if they wanted to help though.
REI is getting good will off of your hard labor and outdoor volunteerism. They should contribute. Ima ask 'em.
Madison I appreciate the support my dude. Thanks
Chris, well done once again brother.
I has a similar experience with mud a couple years back on the Sierra Madre Ridge road, definitely a crappy experience.
And, I wholeheartedly agree! "A bashing in the sticks over a day in the city any time"
I really enjoy your blog! I live in Santa Clarita and am fascinated by all of the history you provide regarding the trails and camps. Kudos!
Thanks for stopping by Sierra, glad your enjoying the blog.
I just recently hiked out here for a day trip, just went a ways past DV junction. Incredible views overlooking the valleys. I was totally laughing though about the mud, I know where you were at & about the uphill slogs to get back to the car, I felt that.. lol! Have you backpacked to Matilija from Potrero Seco via Monte Arido? Curious on trail conditions if so. Can't wait to check out Don Victor Valley
Hi Terra I am not sure about the current conditions along the Northern section of Monte Arido, my guess would be not to bad, but thats my guess. Might shoot an email to Bryan at the LPFA and see if he knows better. Thanks for stopping by.
Hi Christopher,
Thanks for the fantastic, informative post- and the work on the camp! DV is one of the very few camps in LP I haven't been to, and I'm super keen to check it out. I've been thinking about coming in to DV from the west and I tried to ride up Mono Trail from Little Caliente earlier this year ('23), but was stymied before I even got to Pie Cyn Rd. Based on this, my assumption is that the trail from Alamar to Rollins is completely unpassable, and that one would have to take the long way around on the road (via Loma Pelona): any thoughts? Finally, given road and trail conditions since your post, I wonder if anyone has been up there since you guys? If I score that gift certificate, beers are on me!
Be well and happy new year,
Loren
Hi Loren, most definitely some folks have been there since we last left and already snagged the gift card. It’s been awhile since I was last out there but if I was a betting man I’d say the route we took is most likely the best option.
Thanks for your response and advice, Christopher. I think I'm going to be really dumb anyway and mountain bike a loop Upper Oso->Camuesa Rd->Upper Santa Ynez Camp->Don Victor via Potrero Seco/DV Rd->Loma Pelona->Mono Trail (or Pie Cyn Jeep Tr/6N17)->Camuesa Rd->Upper Oso. I'm thinking 3-4 days in March, which should allow some time to stop and check stuff out along the way. Let me know if you're aware of anyone keen on such a misbegotten endeavor- or if you would perhaps be up for it yourself?! ;)
Happy new year,
Loren
Thanks for the invite, but I’m not the greatest mountain biker and honestly I prefer not to be on the darn thing as I’m mostly just pushing it anyways. HA. If you manage to pull that run off I’d be interested to hear about it. Happy New Year.
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